FLAT OUT DENIAL….

If there is one subject that is guaranteed to bring out the very worst in people, especially on the Internet, it is whenever the small matter of the ‘Flat Earth’ is discussed.

It has, in some cases, caused such violent online debate, that a number of websites have had to resort to removing the facility to comment on the articles they subsequently publish.

It’s not as if belief in a Flat Earth is an entirely ‘new’ idea either, as has been alleged in some corners of the www …. as the belief that the earth was flat has been around since humankind began to walk upright.

A belief that the earth is at the centre of all celestial bodies in the universe, and a model that has served as the predominant system since the heavens were first mapped by Aristotle and Ptolemy in Ancient Greece.

The Sumerians, Babylonians, ancient Egyptians, early Hebrews and most Greeks believed in a flat earth.

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Towards the Flat Earth

Some ancient Greek scientists, and a number of church fathers, however, like the Venerable Bede, Albertus Magnus and St Thomas-Aquinas did support the round earth model, and in late medieval times, Bacon, Corpernicus, Galileo, Columbus and Magellan also held that view.

Of the above, it was Nicolaus Corpernicus (1473-1543) who is widely believed to have ‘discovered’ that the earth was in fact, spherical, and according to Wikipedia: “was the first astronomer to formulate a comprehensive heliocentric cosmology, which displaced the earth from the centre of the universe.”

However, Corpernicus was not an astronomer.

Astronomy was only a hobby of his, his real expertise lay in languages, law and medicine, and it could be argued that it may have been that as a Catholic Jesuit, and a Freemason to boot, that his heliocentric hypothothes was promoted and sustained by those networks.

After all, it was Francis Bacon, in an unfinished article from that period entitled ‘The New Atlantis’, who wrote about the infiltration of the Freemasons into all things scientific and religious, and acknowledged that “subversive members of the order controlled all of medicine, science and astronomy/astrology.”

It was Galileo Galilei (1564-1642), with his invention of the telescope, that was historically, the person who’s own heliocentric theory helped to ‘prove’ Corpernicus’ sun-centred theory, thus gaining universal recognition for the round earth model, a belief which still dominates the greater majority of scientific teaching today.

The majority of modern scientific textbooks still state that Galileo proved the Corpernican theory, despite the very real and often overlooked fact, that neither Galileo or Copernicus , proved anything of the sort.

Bernard Cohen in ‘Birth of a New Physics’ (1960) certainly didn’t agree with either of them when he wrote: “There is no planetary observation by which we on earth can prove the earth is moving on an orbit around the sun.”

And Friedrich Wilhelmina Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859), who attempted to gather the known facts into a uniform conception of nature in his multi-volume work, ‘Kosmos‘, a century earlier, spoke with honesty when he stated: “I have already known for a long time that we have no proof for the system of Corpernicus … But I dare not be the first one to attack it.”

Humboldt, who his contemporaries considered to be the most famous man in the world after Napoleon, has the unique honour of being the person that has had more plants, animals, minerals and places named after him than any other human being – alive or dead.

In California alone, there is a County, a bay, a college and a state park that bear his name, and he is one of the founding fathers of environmentalism, yet he has been almost forgotten in the English-speaking world.

His most famous work was the aforementioned ‘Kosmos’, which was translated into more than a dozen languages, and within its pages could be found subjects as diverse as the journeys undertaken between outer space and earth, distant nebulae, landscape painting, terrestrial magnetism, poetry, ecology, botany and even erupting volcanoes.

There was scarcely a single subject, that concerned the natural world, which was left out.

‘Kosmos’ was unlike any other work before it, and very few books that have been produced since can surpass it. It has graced the libraries of many of history’s greatest thinkers, philosophers, artists and poets, and it’s influence, even today, is difficult to overestimate and is understandably, unique.

So would it be fair to describe a man such as Alexander von Humboldt as a ‘Flat Earther’?

After all, he has been credited with saying ‘that no proof existed, [in his lifetime at least] for Corpernicus’ Heliocentric hypothesis’, which was, if you recall, backed up by Galileo Galilei’s own scientific findings, and is what the ‘Spherical Earth‘ belief has been based on ever since.

But a lot has changed since Humboldt’s death in 1859, and although it is true that the modern proponents of the natural sciences have moved on from the romantic perspective Humboldt presented in his seminal work, ‘Kosmos’ is still widely considered to be a remarkable scientific and literary achievement which advanced scientific understanding and progress beyond measure.

With that in mind, would it still be seen as foolhardy to base ones own belief in the existence of a Geocentric earth model on such a work?

A surprising number of people do, although it must be said that the majority of them are probably not even aware of Humboldt’s existence, but elements of his work have certainly found their way into the beliefs of the various Flat Earth groups and societies that have existed in one form or another, ever since.

I read somewhere online fairly recently, that the idea of a Flat Earth was introduced only a few months ago, as ‘a Psyop designed to split the truth movement and to discredit all the conspiracy theorists who promote the idea’, which apart from being grossly innacurate, has lead some to believe that the basis of the recent in-fighting and online arguments that accompany any FE discussion, could stem from the introduction of something which could indeed be viewed as a type of ‘Psychological Operation’, and of the type favoured by the various ‘Change Agencies’ that manipulate and steer public opinion, in many ways.

Personally, I do not believe the earth is flat – nor do I believe that it resembles the ubiquitous ‘Round Blue Marble’ which NASA freely admits is a ‘composite image’, therefore not an actual photograph …. I lean more towards the earth being something in between the two, and has been depicted since the 17th century as being a perfect sphere, simply because it’s actual shape was viewed as being too much of a ‘leap of faith’ and something that people would simply not understand.

TO BE CONTINUED ….

 

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  1. ooo looking forward to the next instalment now ….. 🙂

  2. 3 WARNING ARTICLES FOR AMERICANS – & QUITE POSSIBLY FOR A LOT OF OTHER COUNTRIES TOO:-

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    1. OG, I’ve found something at Henry Makow re, those Patriot guys. If this video is genuine it proves that they were crisis actors apparently. “Talent release forms”? WTF?

      1. Yes!. I came across that too but I didn’t think anyone here would be that interested in it. Seems they were videoed being asked to sign consent forms & all scarpered when they realised the camera was recording it.

        Understand also that the FBI always – & I mean ALWAYS infiltrates such groups & inserts their own operatives into the group to get the “desired result”. & finally understand that the FBI is a POLITICAL police force.

        Forget all that crap you’ve seen on t.v. about their crime-fighting.

        Fighting crime is a sideline.

        Back in the “60”s the FBI wound up a communist party chapter when it turned out that every member was an FBI man or an informant.

        And don’t think MI5 & Special Branch here are any different – but then, some pregnant activists now know about this.

        1. Sounds very much like ‘Class War‘, ‘CND‘, ‘Occupy‘, the ‘Green Anarchists‘ and the ‘Animal Liberation Front‘ OG.

          All infiltrated by Special Branch from day one (allegedly).

          1. AND QUITE POSSIBLY STARTED BY THEM TOO. HEGELIAN DIALECTIC ANYONE?

            DEAR OLD LENIN – “THE BEST WAY TO CONTROL THE OPPOSITION IS TO LEAD IT”.

        2. Oh, these days OG I’m well aware of what the FBI etc are mostly all about, you are talking to one VERY VERY disillusioned man.

          Ruby Ridge, Waco, Boston, and all the rest, absolutely shocking.

          I also know about infiltration of groups etc, oldest trick in the book actually, and an obvious tactic to use because it is very easy to do generally, even easier if you create the false opposition group in the first place as you know.

          1. There were many infiltrators during the Miners strike also, most industrial disputes were ‘marshalled’ by the ‘enemy within‘ – that is why Margaret Thatcher may have used that very expression to describe the miners.

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    A FEW OF THESE WEBSITES MAY BE RUN BY INSANE PEOPLE

    Center for the Study of Political Islam:-

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    AND:-

    POLITICALISLAM.COM

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    THE STORY OF THE BRAZILIAN VACCINE EVIL IS “GETTING LEGS” ONLINE:-

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    You Won’t Believe What This US Ambassador Said About al-Qaeda’s Syrian Allies:-

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  5. More and More Ukrainians Waking Up from Maidan-Induced Stupor:-

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    War in Syria: Russia’s ‘rustbucket’ military delivers a hi-tech shock to West and Israel:-

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  6. IT’S ELECTION YEAR “OVER THERE”:-
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    HILLARY WON’T DO TIME BECAUSE BARRY’S IN THE MESS TOO:-

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    THE F-35 AGAIN,BUT SOME INTERESTING INFO IN THE EXPANDED COMMENTS:-

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    AN EXAMPLE OF JUST HOW EFFED-UP SOME GERMANS ARE:-

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  7. BIT MORE ON THE RAPE-LOVING GERMAN LEFT:-

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    Hillary Clinton Brags About Getting Her Marching Orders From The CFR:-

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    “HARASSMENT” & CENSORSHIP IN CANADA:-

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  8. Physics dictates that the most perfect shape in nature is the sphere…now you can argue that the earth is indeed flat .. in 2 dimensions …however to describe the present universe its postulated that there is 21 …personally i.ll go with proven physics…more concerning to me is black knight…

  9. The book “Worlds Beyond the Poles” by F. Amadeo Giannini is an interesting read. Not only does it mention that land was discovered beyond the Antarctic more than 100 years ago but it also explains how the concave lens in cameras or in the human eye causes us to be deceived. It is interesting that we are not allowed to freely explore the Antarctic and that we can be killed, as some have, for trespassing the area.

    1. I don’t understand all of this nonsense about Antarctica. You have potentially a bigger problem with the weather there then you do with any mysterious guards patrolling it, especially during the winter. If they do keep you out it is for your own good and safety. Ever see what the weather is like there? Here is a taste. You want to explore Antarctica? This is what you are in for.

      YOUTUBE

  10. The original BLUE MARBLE was not a composite. It was shot in 1972 by the Apollo astronauts on film so it is an actual photograph. It was also not the only photograph shot that day. That being said, that photograph has been downloaded, manipulated, abused, enhanced by others and used as proof that the photo is fake. Well, it isn’t. Not the original film shot which was untouched for over 20 something years. At that time here were no PCs, MACs or any home computers. When they did finally show up they could hardly even hold a photograph with any kind of resolution. And there were certainly no displays that could even remotely show detail. No HD, just regular old school TV resolution. There was no photoshop software, or any photo editors for that matter, in existence at that time.

    1. Thanks for your comment. I would like to see the evidence of what you are saying if at all possible as I am very interested in all aspects of this subject. NASA themselves, however, have always stated that the image was a ‘Composite’ as have all the other images published by them since.

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