SIE SIND EIN LÜGNER….

It appears that questions/accusations are starting to be aired on various blogs, social networks and forums, in regard to Operation Pallial only focussing on abuse that occurred in North Wales.

The latest series of arrests have also been called into question, as it has also been alleged that these should have been addressed during the original investigation by the North Wales Police.

I believe that this time, the investigation is being led by statements from genuine witnesses, who previously, for whatever reason, have not had the opportunity of speaking out, and who’s only incentive is to see the real guilty parties punished and justice finally being served.

Why would I say that?

Maybe the following paragraphs, transcribed from ‘The Secret of Bryn Estyn’, may help.

RECORDING OF A CONVERSATION WITH JOHN DAVIES ON 22 FEBRUARY 2000 AT 1:15 PM

“Whilst I was in the queue at Somerfields supermarket in X, I recognised a person in the next queue but was not sure of his name. I noticed that he recognised me too and he came over to me when I was at the kiosk and said ‘Liz’ and reminded me that he was John (a resident of Bryn Estyn in the early 1980’s when I worked there as a Residential Child Care Officer). He asked me how I was and he said he’d like to talk to me outside and would wait for me to finish in the queue. When I went out he called me over and invited me to sit in his car as I was obviously cold. I got into a top of the range Land Cruiser.

John told me how he had ‘jumped on the bandwagon’ and said he had received £91,000 and still had to go for a further medical before the last instalment would be released. He said that he had alleged that he’d had ‘the arse shagged off me’ and ‘as we didn’t jump on the bandwagon until later it was easy because so many statements had been made and people convicted’.

When I asked who he meant by ‘we’, he said Jack O’Neill, ‘but that Jack O’Neill had actually been abused elsewhere’. He said that John Smith Solicitor had dealt with everything for him as he had all his life.

He wanted to know how I was and Rob Jones and Dave Birch in particular and said if there was anything he could do to help he would. I said it was obviously difficult for Dave Birch as he was one of the 28 named in the press as a danger to children and he again asked me to let him know if he could do anything in support. He said that he thought we had been very good to him at Bryn Estyn and Birch in particular….. He said that he hadn’t believed what Birch had been accused of in court and he thought that Bryn Estyn had been a great place. He said it was ‘doing his head in’ reading about it in the papers and none of it appeared the same as his memories. He said I must be finding it difficult as some people think all who worked there were perverts and all the boys, had been ‘shagged rotten’. He didn’t want anybody thinking that of him. He said he thought ‘they’ll destroy you in work’, and if there’s anything he can do to help he will.

I asked him if he’d seen the ‘Lost in care’ report and said that if it would help he could come and see the office copy. He said he didn’t want people seeing him come into our offices and I said if he phoned my direct line I would meet him and take him straightaway into one of the rooms which are also used by housing and the registrar. He wanted my home phone number but I told him how, obviously, I was very wary of people and their motives these days and only gave him my work number. I told him that he could phone anytime as he said it helped to talk to someone who knew the truth.

He went on to ask if I thought all the abuse alleged against Peter Howarth had occurred. He said he didn’t think so and how everyone used to fight to get on the flat list but he was never allowed.

I said that was because he was so naughty and he agreed….

He gave me his mobile phone number and asked me to give it to Dave Birch and tell him to phone him to see if he could help. When I said I needed to go as I’d only popped out for two minutes to get my lunch he said, ‘Yes you’d better go, you never know who’s watching with a camera these days.’

So, taking that into consideration, assuming at least part of it is true, and it being only one example of many, many similar ‘anomalies’, some entirely new questions almost certainly need to be asked.

I must also assume that any new investigation into historic child abuse allegations in North Wales, especially in relation to the Bryn Estyn Children’s Home may prove to be very uncomfortable indeed, for certain people who were involved in the original investigation.

On both sides….

“Where there is an original doubt, however insignificant it may appear, questions will always remain” – Outlaw

“One of the factors, however, which makes this modern witch hunt uniquely terrible is that it has claimed, and continues to claim, two sets of victims.For it is not only those who are falsely accused who suffer anguish and misery.

Among the other victims are all those who genuinely have been abused.

Because of the high number of false allegations which have been made in the last thirty years, the veracity of almost all allegations of abuse may begin to be called into question. As a result many people who have made truthful accounts of having been abused in children’s homes, of rape, or of incest, may find that they are disbelieved or may fear that they might be.

They may feel, in consequence, that they have been robbed of their own integrity and their own history.

That, too, is a tragedy and we should not underestimate the distress which such disbelief can cause.”

Richard Webster (1950 – 2001)

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  1. I think that answers my question why you are being attacked by the band of loony tunes on Twitter they are surely getting worried about something.

    What are they are trying to hide?

  2. does ring true jimmy by the way glad you got off in court hope laverty dosent i was never his friend you know that i despised him as well still read your blogs

    1. Thanks for that James.

      There was no actual evidence, so therefore no crime was committed. It was another in a long history of false allegations from that bloke I’m afraid.

      This has always been about one thing for me James, the Truth, and I have nothing to fear from it, nor from those who tell it.

  3. take care look after yourself and family jimmy keep the blogs going there great to read

    1. Absolutely. I still have got lots more to write. Take Care 🙂

  4. That’s quite a back peddle from spreading around Twitter that J was child murderer Howard Hughes who left footprints on peoples rhubarb leaves Mr O’Connell and some of the vicious comments you have made on this blog and all around Twitter that we have all witnessed. And you seemed pretty pally with a certain person up until Christmas. Never a friend? Could have fooled me old bean.
    Do you actually understand how dangerous doing things like that can be? No apology I see though, how very big of you. Still, I’m sure there will be another ship along soon for you to jump on. You seem quite sprightly when it comes to that.

    £91k for allegedly making a false allegation about someone. Nice little earner for those who have the bare faced cheek. But doubly disgusting for those who have actually been abused but are still awaiting the simple acknowledgement of the truth of what happened to them. Some people really do have NO shame. (See the usual Twitter creeps for examples).

    About time the courts started serving warrants for perjury on all these liars, we might actually start getting somewhere and it might make them think twice before they spout lies in the future. It would also stop the public being taken for a ride by seriously slack journos.

    It seems it was so easy to get a big payout last time, it’s probable that there will be people trying it on again this time around. BUT there WILL also be people that didn’t come forward the 1st time around with REAL stories and evidence to give and it’s those that I dearly hope will get their justice at long last.

  5. JONES.THAT SURNAME RINGS A BELL.THERE WAS A SOCCER COACH OF,I THINK,SOUTHAMPTON F.C. WHO WAS ACCUSED OF ABUSE FROM WHEN HE WORKED IN A CARE HOME.IT WAS THROWN OUT AS AN IMPOSSIBILITY BECAUSE OF THE SLEEPING ARRANGEMENTS AT THE HOME,BUT IN A B.B.C PROG ABOUT THE CASE,A NUMBER OF FORMER BOYS TOLD OF HOW THE COPS STARTED TALKING OF COMPENSATION VERY EARLY ON IN INTERVIEWS.SO,IF YOU CAN SMELL THE MONEY…

    1. Dave Jones I believe, he went on to manage Cardiff City before Malky McKay. 🙂

      You are right about the smell of money though OG, many people will and probably have already driven people to take their own lives in pursuit of it 🙁

  6. AND NOW FOR SOME LINKS:-
    Jewish Corruption Scandal Mafia: Jews killing US´s Kids to send….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ic_J_R9nD18&app=desktop

    Hitler The Greatest Monster Of All History or ….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnt9bgkFibo&feature=youtu.be

    URL SAYS IT ALL:-
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/06/08/366097/how-the-israel-lobby-works/

    BROKEN AMERICA:-
    http://www.rense.com/general96/bonkers.html

    THIS IS QUITE OLD,& YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY FEATURED IT IN SOME PAST POSTING
    “Ninth-graders design science experiment to test the effect of cellphone radiation on plants. The results may surprise you.
    Five ninth-grade young women from Denmark recently created a science experiment that is causing a stir in the scientific community.”
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/student-science-experiment-finds-plants-wont-grow-near-wi-fi-router/5336877

    A READ THAT GIVES A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THE POLLARD SPYING AFFAIR:-
    “The conjecture, that Israel may somehow be engaged in an effort to destabilize the US through propelling an already dying animal to a well-deserved demise carries some validity. The question we ask, however, is the end result a world freer, or one enslaved even more, and by whom? Who else has a history of wanting to control everyone and everybody?”
    http://journal-neo.org/2014/06/07/the-other-cold-war-that-no-one-talks-about/

  7. Fuck Me. 91K a pop? I hope they invested the cash wisely as they may need it for legals if they have perjured themselves. bastards have destroyed any chance of the real victims getting justice by the looks of things and they deserve everything thats coming to them. I hope they get the book thrown at them

  8. I wonder if Ian Hislop, Paul Foot and Piers Morgan or any of the others that got shafted by these trash know about this as that could turn interesting

  9. Not everyone got £91k a pop. £91k would have been for someone whose abuse was deemed the most serious. even if it was a lie in some cases it would seem.

    I’m pretty sure no one would have begrudged him a penny if his claims had been true, but it’s the fact that there are so many liars in this game that the truth is always obscured & the real survivors in this story forever pushed back to square 1.

    Ironic that Gordon Anglesea received almost 3 times that for winning his libel trial.

    British ‘Justice’ deems that you can get a higher payment being labelled a suspected paedophile that you can for actually being horrifically abused by one & having your life destroyed.
    Making perfect (non)sense as per usual.

    ACAL (Association of Child Abuse Lawyers) even eventually acknowledged that Peter Howarth’s conviction was unsafe.

    1. Absolutely… Dark Secrets and lies and starting to look desperate now I feel.

      Here’s a blast from the past, when Sonia Poulton put some of the same team all over the mainstream media…

      The Man-Thing in Holland is still slithering around Twitter, still on it’s last legs, still spitting bile and as foul, bilious and disgustingly active as ever unfortunately 🙁

      Not the kind fame they were so keen to attract eh?

      http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/420369/How-I-unmasked-my-vile-Twitter-trolls

  10. I’m starting to think that any kind of attention, good or bad gives them a buzz. They are still pretty much spewing out the same old rhubarb they were last year, despite the fact everyone knows exactly what they are.

    The only people who appear to believe them are ………them (parading under many false accounts as per usual) 😀

    Schaggers – now that’s 1 seriously warped weird old moosage.

    Makes you wonder why anyone would be defending that things honour, especially as it doesn’t seem to have any, bit like it’s new best friend & former foe. In the warped stakes, they make a perfect team.

    1. I shouldn’t laugh, but…….

  11. “Ukraine’s civil war started on 2 May 2014, when supporters of the February-coup-imposed (click on that link if you don’t know about that coup) Ukrainian central government firebombed Odessa’s Trade Unions Building, incinerating hundreds of Odessans who opposed the coup.”
    http://www.blacklistednews.com/Why_Ukraine’s_Civil_War_Is_of_Global_Historical_Importance/35795/0/38/38/Y/M.html

    Crisis actress BUSTED Adriana Victoria Muñoz fully EXPOSED:-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjh6UpOBKps&list=PLjBxZ7CbQrKl8glvQ4C2Pq5MsZTRjY_PV

    “Using radio callsigns “Death 11″ and “Death 12″ two B-2s from Whiteman Air Force Base have arrived at RAF Fairford for short and rare deployment.”
    http://theaviationist.com/2014/06/08/b-2-have-deployed-uk/

    I OFTEN SUGGEST THAT VISITORS READ WHAT I POST,BUT THIS IS POTENTIALLY FRIGHTENING
    “So with micro drones, we have a society where everybody can have a deadly assassination weapon without the risk that would traditionally accompany an attempted assassination. In effect, we now have “anonymous assassination weapons,” and as we’ve seen in online gaming, the results of anonymous actions are often disastrous: when their own real life isn’t at stake, people will behave in erratic, power-hungry ways that would never be pursued if their own lives were at risk. And because the micro drone does the killing for them, “killers” no longer have to do any killing themselves. They don’t even need to know how to use a knife, or a gun or explosives. All they need is to buy a micro drone, download the kamikaze software, load up a couple of pictures of their target, and let it loose on the sidewalk.”
    http://www.naturalnews.com/045495_assassination_drones_autonomous_killing_facial_recognition.html

    “Earlier in the week I more or less endorsed Mahmoud Abbas to be the new President of Israel. It is an esteemed honour for any old, lifelong zionist like himself.
    Much more fitting than those that are actually in the race, making a mockery out of what they refer to as a Democracy …”
    http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/the-scandal-ridden-race-for-a-new-israeli-president/

    FROM THE DEPT OF “YOU REALLY CANNOT MAKE THIS INSANE JEWISH STUFF UP”:-
    http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2014/06/hospital-rabbi-fired-for-embezzlement-chief-rabbinate-attacks-hospital-for-lack-of-kosher-supervision-234.html

  12. WOW! How did they get away with it. I am pretty much gutted now but thank you Outlaw

  13. How indeed, especially when you know there are people who were subjected to proper horrors who didn’t get a bean and still haven’t and yet so many liars seem to have made a small fortune in 1 way or another.

    Don’t think there is any getting away from the fact that there were some questionable and shoddy findings and Richard Websters book must be quite an embarrassment to the Legal System , Government bods and a whole police force. In effect, sacking the lot of them and just getting Webster to investigate, using the facts the Police etc had in their possession would have resulted in a more accurate result and saved the country millions for investigations largely due to a woman scorned and her saddo sidekick & their media melee.

    Also, VERY strange that it was obvious that this was all whipped up by a vengeful woman and her sadistic saddo sidekick – the same woman who was then lauded by both Waterhouse and Tony Blair for her efforts and received an award for it!
    Make of that what you will. At best it’s highly overpaid people with not a clue that the tax payer has footed the bill for employing in the top jobs. Par for the course 😉

    1. That ‘Pride of Britain’ Award thingy that Wassername won, an interesting story there if one looks hard enough I should think 😉

      1. Yes I’m sure there is. Some might say a Shame of Britain Award would have been more fitting perhaps? 🙂

        1. An award from Bliar??!!.I’m reminded of that well-known statement of a judge in an old Irish court case.”You have been acquitted by a Limerick jury,& you leave this court with no other stain on your character”.

      2. Ooo and lest we forget a former employer under the Lord Chancellor of the war criminal himself has popped up to deem allegations of abuse all lies .. all lies I tell you …. all lies. Could the Blair witch fella have something to hide perhaps? LOTS to hide I reckon 😉

        All in it together? They weren’t exactly lying when they come out with that buzz phrase were they? 😉

  14. Oh dear, It’s run away and hidden hahaha. That’s right, run along and hide so nobody can see your crap anymore.
    ‘I love it when a plan comes together’. Oh the joys!
    Silence is golden after all 🙂

    1. PMSL..

      BTW Mildred the Forum is up and running again, just log in with your old details 🙂

  15. ‘Sie Sind Ein Lügner’ – ‘You are a/the liar’

    Very apt title Mr Outlaw, but far too highbrow for the average internet troll you may have to dumb down a bit so they at least understand they are being pilloried 🙂

    1. Pilloried…. I have not used that word for years, nor even seen it used for far too long.

      A perfect solution for Internet pests I should think, not too painful, just humiliating enough to make them think twice, a second offence and it’s the ducking stool !

      Thanks for the comment Heather 🙂

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